Monthly Archives: April 2004

Tonight isXML Night in Vermont!

What a great way to follow up to my night of sushi with the XML MVPs and some of the XML luminaries  – it is XML night at Vermont .NET tonight!

We have Microsoft Community Champion Joe Stagner coming to talk about securing your XML and also a walk through of XMLSpy by Altova‘s Trace Galloway. We have all been looking forward to this for a while.

I was thinking about something very funny about that dinner. Sam Gentile was way on the other side of the room but I found out that as different as we are, we have one really icchy thing in common. We both love to eat Uni. It is really gross but so yummy and fun to gross everyone out, too. I don’t’ stop with the Uni though. I gotta have a quail egg on it. Eeeeeeeeew! (evil laugh) Holy crap! I just googled Uni to find y’all a link and just read a much too detailed description and will probably NEVER EAT IT AGAIN. aieeeeeeee…….

A new user group in Toronto

Toronto is a BIG city and there are a few user gruops in the area, though they are all many many miles (and sometimes hours) apart.

Kate Gregory, who has been instrumental to the Toronto .NET User group has started a new group called “GTA East .NET” (Greater Toronto Area East). They will have their inaugural meeting on April 20th.

Knowing Kate (who is an MSDN Regional Director, a prolific writer and speaker, a woman with boundless energy that I can NEVER get over – her energy or the gal herself who I adore), this will be a wonderful addition to the INETA community.

I still can’t get her blog into my aggregator. I have the same problem with my own blog – they are both dasBlog sites. I have a number of other dasBlog sites in my aggregator. What gives?

Lora Heiny on dearth of young women MVPs

Lora talks about the obvious technology male/female ratio that played out at the MVP summit as it does elsewhere.

“Not surprising. It’s the tech industry, afterall. Wow – I can say that way too easily, and it is a standard excuse when you’re looking at groups of people who are in their late 20s and older. Is this acceptable with the college age and younger crowd though? “

She brings up an interesting point about the very young MVPs – teens and college students. The only college age MVP female I konw is Stacey Yasenka from Ohio. I met her when I kept asking “isn’t there even ONE girl in the Student Ambassador program.” She now proudly tells me there are three! But there were even some highschool boys – I still have not gotten over the shock that Brian Desmond is 16 – but no girls that we are aware of. Lora talks about her teenage neices and their experiences online which turned them away from talking about technology online. Again, none of this is political – it’s just that age old question – “why?”.  Loren also commented on this blog and referred to it as the bathroom index. I almost got booed for teasing the guys in their long line for the men’s room when I got to trot right into the lineless ladie’s room at the summit.

Remember that Developers are only part of the MVP program

Although there is another discussion of the MVP program going on over at Roy Osherove’s blog and is continued elsewhere, this is a topic that I was thinking about before that all started.

While I was at Seattle, I found that a few of the developers who were new MVP’s didn’t fully comprehend the MVP program, though they were all deserving MVPs. I think that this has a lot to do with the fact that many of these developers are so used to their (our –if you are talking about .NET) community – within the blogs, at conferences like TechEd and PDC  – that I think this seemed to them as one more extension of that.

Having most of the developers in the same hotel didn’t help this situation I think.

So why am I saying that I don’t think some of them understand the program? Because of some of the things that I heard. For example, at the end of the summit – I was talking with an MVP and mentioned something about the TabletPC MVPs. I had to explain that some were developers, like Loren Heiny and some were more geared towards the end users, like Lora Heiny and Peter Rysavy. The response of this person I was talking to was “but they aren’t developers. How can they be MVPs?”. It wasn’t a criticism of Loren, Lora or Peter in anyway, only a misconception about the MVP program.

Another case in point was hearing someone say, upon meeting another MVP who has been an MVP for a LONG LONG time and very deservingly, too – that the long time MVP should not be an MVP. The person making the statement was using their own opinion of the other’s “level of expertise” as the reason. 

And I hear over and over comments about XBOX MVPs or FrontPage MVPs, etc. with respect to the fact that they don’t have the same merit as a developer.

All of this really bugs me. I am not saying that those who are expressing this lack of comprehension of the program don’t deserve to be MVPs – all of them do. But I think that there are a lot of people who really need to understand more fully what the program is all about.

I think it levels the playing field. It is not about being the smartest person in your field, though it is about being a very knowledgeable person in your field. But the community aspect of it is being forgotten. And many people have a hard time defining it. It used to be based on newsgroup participation, because that is something that can be counted. But now there are so many venues for participation, that Microsoft has redefined how they look for MVPs. And it is not just ONE thing.

Just as an example, I have very different levels of community involvement. I have never been a newsgroup person (well, only minimally) though I did spend an enormous amount of time answering questions on the aspadvice lists. Currently I am not spending a lot of time on those lists but I participate in the community heavily in other ways (my blog is only a small part of that). I became an MVP in June – before the big wave – and because of my lack of newsgroup participation, was very quiet about it. I wasn’t sure how the other MVP’s would react and I was sure that other people would make an assumption that it was because of X or Y, though in fact it was the combination of many things that drove my original MVP lead, Emily Freet, to pull me into the program.

But wait , now I sound like I am justifying my own MVP status, which is not where I meant to go with this.

I thought it was VERY cool to be among so many other types of MVPs. That is what we all had in common – that we were MVPs, regardless of our technologies. BUt that we all were the type of people who love what we do and like to help other people. Yeah, yeah – I’m sure there are some rolling -eyes, ‘get off the pulpit Pollyanna’. But sorry, that IS what the MVP program is all about. A willingness to take time out of your day to help others without expecting anything in return.

here from the MVP site:

  • Recognized: Microsoft MVPs are acknowledged by peers and also by Microsoft for their active participation in Microsoft technical communities around the globe.
  • Credible: Microsoft MVPs have demonstrated practical expertise providing the highest quality information and content.
  • Accessible: Microsoft MVPs are active technical community leaders sharing their experience with peers.

ok – now I have to go do something where I do get something in return – not just gratitude but some funding as well.

Some cool web job openings in Vermont

Burton Snowboards is looking for a new Internet Director and an Internet Project Manager. I think all Burton jobs come with a free pass to Stowe or something like that. here: http://www.burton.com/Company/jobs.asp 

There is a bank in Stowe that has been adverstising for a while for Web Developer (VB, ASP, .NET, SQL etc). Stowe is an awesome area to live in. EverBank is also looking for a Content Specialist.You can find those two jobs here  — go to Search then filter on “Stowe, Vermont“.

Ambrose Little’s MVP Summit pics and WS-Sushi

Ambrose has a great collection of pictures.

For links to Ambrose’s, here are his blogs:

Day 4: write up, pictures

Day 3 : write up, pictures

Day 2 write up, pictures

Day 1 pictures

And thanks to Kirk Allen Evans for inviting me to the XML dinner on Monday night. As a general “.NET MVP”, I had a hard time picking and choosing where to go during the day and the evening. I was fortunate enough to spend time with a number of different groups, including ASP.NET, VB, Tablet PC and XML. Here is Kirk’s photo from the XML dinner (I was hardly the only non-XML MVP there…) which was a blast. Thanks also to Don Box and Dare Obasanjo for picking up the tab which must have actually required a Sumo wrestler’s strength  – imagine Sushi for 45+! Of course, that means thanks BillG. It reminds me of a job I once had, with an expense account. Anytime I paid a bill, the joke was “Thank Hugh” rather than thank you, since Hugh was the name of our boss. I thought I would link to the company, but geeze, I might get fined by Congress or something.

Microsoft Mobile PC

I hung out with the tabletpc folks on Thursday at Microsoft and was lucky enough to hitch a ride back to Seattle with Geetesh ________. Geetesh is on the Mobile PC team. I thought at first that this meant handhelds but in fact it just means Notebooks/Laptops – though not Tablets. Apparently, there was a Microsoft application in the past (similar to Journal) called Notebook, so they couldn’t use the name again.

So remember, with Microsoft “Mobile PC” = notebooks/laptops.

Just thought it was notable.

Okay, back upstairs to continue the installation of XPSP2 (with latest lonestar bits) on my tablet…

AngryCoder threatens to switch to VB.NET just for Edit & Continue – will he give up Web Development, too?

If you have spent any time on Jonathan Goodyear’s www.angrycoder.com site, you will know that he has never been shy about how he feels about VB.NET (well, sometimes I think he targets the VB developers, not just the language). So in his ASP.NETPro Mag commentary on the lack of Edit & Continue in ASP.NET 2.0 (yes, E&C will only be in Windows Forms!) it is amazing to hear him say (well, see him write…) :

I think that omitting Edit-and-Continue from VS 2005 would be a colossal miscalculation that Microsoft will regret. The future will validate this obvious prediction. Edit-and-Continue is so important to me, that I plan to make VB.NET my preferred development language if C# does not support it (the future of that is hopeful, but still unknown). Those who are familiar with my history of commentary regarding C# vs. VB.NET can appreciate just how big a move that would be for me. If ASP.NET doesn’t support Edit-and-Continue, we’re back at square one.

I don’t really think Jonathan will EVER give up web development of course…